April 15, 2011

  • {Guest Rant} & Fabulous Friday Give-A-Way

    It certainly is another Fabulous Friday!  Aren’t they always? Other than that we have had a serious drop in temperature and it is now cold and windy and possibly supposed to snow an inch or so tomorrow.  One the very day we are having friends over for a “cookout and campfire.”  Yup, might not be doing the campfire thing, but I think we will still grill.

     

    I had this rant sent to me and wanted to post it today. Please leave her lots of comments.  She’ll get good advice and you guys will have a chance to win a book this week!

    Thanks!

     

    CONSERVATIVE CONUNDRUM

    Our family finds itself in a unique spot:  since we recently moved, we are in search of a new church.  Surely, though, we are not the only ones who have ever been in this place and those of you with experience can toss some wisdom my way!  This church-searching is both exciting and exhausting.  Having no support, encouragement, and church family is tiring and lonesome, but being given the opportunity to pick a new set of friends and church standards brings excitement.

     Some of the time.

    I don’t know about you, but to me a perfect church would be one that is both contemporary and conservative.  Yeah, I know, that’s a good joke, right?  Seriously, though, without defining specifics, that looks like a church that holds to Biblical truths (ie: marriage is bet/ one man and woman for life), yet is less formal in worship and in interaction.  Why does that seem to be such an oxymoron?

    The problem I have in choosing amongst the variety of churches is this- what do I do with those churches that have standards that draw the line at a more extreme place than my husband and I understand Scripture to say?  For example, I understand the principle in Scripture is that women are to have long hair.  That does not mean hair that has never been cut, it just means hair that is long.  Or that the passage in I Peter 3 and those like it that refer to jewelry do not mean that none should ever be worn AT ALL, it means it should not be the defining factor of your outfit.  Now, churches that have standards along those lines are not wrong, in fact they have many valuable and inviting qualities, but their standards are extra-biblical. 

    Yes, I know there is value in obeying those in authority over us even if we don’t agree completely with them.  What I wonder, though, is why should our family deliberately choose someone to be in authority over us that we don’t agree with, if we have an option to choose another that may be closer aligned?  Do you get me?  And how would I ever teach my children to do such and such if I don’t honestly believe it myself?  To me, that’s just plain fake.  And there’s nothing that will turn our children away from the Truth more than not being real. 

    And, furthermore, those of you that have become less conservative- how do go up against the mentality that the conservative way is the right way and everyone else is wrong?  (At least those are the words I’ve given to the way of thinking I often see in those circles.)  Especially if you have family that doesn’t think the same ways you do? 

    Maybe this is too many questions at once!  Oh, and neither am I ignoring the fact that, although this post is predominantly about conservative issues, there are plenty that abound on the other side of the coin as well.  I am just not going to take the time or the space to write about them right now.  If you want to include some of those issues to be considered in the comments, that would be fine by me.

     

     

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    Once again, I will pick one lucky, random winner from the commenters on my blog today and I will send you the book of your choice from the list below, plus a little something extra.  Good Luck!

     

    Inspirations for a Mother’s Soul (Mostly verses by category…New Living Translation)
    Standing on the Promises – Susan Wales (Taken by a previous winner)
    Too Much of a Good Thing – Dan Kindlon
    7 Secrets of Successful Families – Jimmy Evans
    A Hand to Guide Me – Denzel Washington
    The Yada Yada Prayer Group – Neta Jackson
    Even God Rested – Kim Thomas
    The Heart of a Woman – Maya Angelou
    Meditations on Proverbs for Couples – Les and Leslie Parrott
    Esther…A Story of Courage – Trudy J. Morgan-Cole (Taken by a previous winner)
    The Wedding – Nicholas Sparks
    Putting Family First – William Doherty and Barbara Carlson
    From Baghdad, With Love – Colonel Jay Kopelman
    The Complete Household Organizer from Good Housekeeping (Taken by a previous winner)
    Sharing His Secrets – Vickey Banks
    Forgiving the Unforgivable – David Stoop
    Dinner with a Perfect Stranger – David Gregory
    Wake up Laughing – (Upbeat Devotions for the “Unconventional” Woman) – Rachel St. John-Gilbert
    Hugs for those in Love – Ron and Lyn Rose
    A Nickel’s Worth of Hope – Dr. Andre Vandenberg
    Dancing through the Shadows – Theresa Tomlinson
    Following Christ – Joseph Stowell
    The Calling – Brother Andrew
    John’s Story (The Last Eyewitness)  Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins
    What Happens When Women Pray – Evelyn Christenson
    It’s All About Him – Denise Jackson
    Story of a Soul – The Autobiography of St. Therese of Lisieux
    The Thinking Chair – Audrey Brown
    Soul Talk – Larry Crabb
    Have a New Husband by Friday – Dr. Kevin Leman (Taken by a previous winner)
    The Partner – John Grisham – (Taken by a previous winner)
    Message in a Bottle – Nicholas Sparks
    The Letter – Richard Paul Evans
    Only Love is Real – Brian Weiss
    Cream and Bread – Janet Martin and Allen Todnem
    Dear John – Nicholas Sparks
    Broken on the Back Row – Sandi Patty
    Living Faith – Jimmy Carter
    The 5 Love Needs of Men and Women – Dr. Gary and Barbara Rosberg
    Simplifying Your Life – Mac Hammond
    Your Child Wonderfully Made – Larry Burkett and Rick Osborne
    Applause of Heaven – Max Lucado
    My Utmost for His Highest – Oswald Chambers daily devotional
    Capture his Heart – Lysa Terkeurst
    Letters to Karen – Charlie Shedd
    Men, Women, and Relationships – John Gray
    Official Rules of Card Games
    The Memory Keeper’s Daughter – Kim Edwards
    Tramp for the Lord – Corrie ten Boom
    To Love and Be Loved – Sam Keen

Comments (24)

  • I have trouble with churches that are “law” minded.  Such as the scripture you mentioned about hair. 

  • While considering school options recently I came to the conclusion.  “There is no perfect school” same as shopping for that stroller for your first baby, “There really is not a “perfect” stroller. The list could go on. And hey, maybe there is a perfect church some where.  Ours isn’t. But we love it anyhow.  I hope you get some good advice.  I just really want one of Audrey’s books :)  

  • My advise…pray,pray,pray.  There is no perfect church.  Pray that God will place you in a church “for a season”.  It might be the best place for you for a while…to bless others and be blessed.  God may place you in one church for one specific reason that you may not know at the time.

    Our family is looking for another church family.  (I think it would be easier to move and choose another church than to try to move from one to another in your own hometown).

    Blessings to you as you seek His will in this area of your life!!

  • @srheam - I love that thought. 

    There is no perfect church.  Pray that God will place you in a church “for a season”.  It might be the best place for you for a while…to bless others and be blessed.  God may place you in one church for one specific reason that you may not know at the time.

  • First off-I just want to echo srheam’s advice-to PRAY. that is just more powerful than anything we’ll say.

    My thoughts-

    Are you able to fellowship and go to church at the place you’re most likeminded? or are you looking for a place to be members and pledge allegiance, so to speak?  ”Church” isnt so much about a set of rules as it is the spirit. If love and truth (Biblical truths) is among the people, grace will also be abounding to walk with you on your journey with Jesus…as much as allowing the other part of the congregation to broaden their horizens as well (considering other ways of doing things) Grace will allow you to search the Scriptures and grow without having the pressure to reform to man’s ways. Your children will see authenticity, even if you’re fellowshipping with others who apply the Bible principles in a different way. If all of Christians got back to teaching and living PRINCIPLES and quit imposing RULES, our churches would be in a much different state than they are. God Bless you as you seek to find “your spot”.

  • i like what speakinginlove said above, ” “Church” isnt so much about a set of rules as it is the spirit.”

    that is so SO true!! we too had been searching for a church for 4-5 months and finally settled on the least likely one i would have thought from mere first impression – - but it was the place where we liked the SPIRIT the most. it’s a big church, over 1,000,but  the friendliest we had visited. i was just talking to my mom yesterday who was discouraged a bit over their church right now, where my dad pastors.. feeling like they don’t have the “wow” factor of all these mega churches, etc. and i reminded her that i really don’t think size or programs matter – or having the hippiest worship music, whatever. it really is the spirit of the people. feeling that warmth and connection to the body of Christ.. and sad to say, there are some downright snarky Christians out there. :/

    also. even though we’ve finally found a church it’s still hard to really feel a part, and “in.” God keeps reminding me that church needs to be about giving, not about getting. sure we go to be feed spiritually, but i can’t be sitting back w/ my arms crossed expecting everyone to reach out to me – i need to be willing to make the first steps, even though i feel like the visitor. :)

    God will lead you guys as you keep seeking… don’t get discouraged. :) i know it can be~

  • this was well written. and i thought the ranter did a great job at being wise and kind, and stated her case without being disrespectful. i don`t have any advice but i agreed with every word she said. yeah. WHY is it the more conservative– the more serious and straight-laced the atmosphere of the church?
    i love my church so my answer is: come to my church! :) :)

  • i agree/add to amber… the biggest drawing factor of a church in the end HAS to be how friendly the christians are at the church. no? 

  • First of all I want to say thank you for commenting on my blog. I like that term: “extra Biblical” I think I just might have to use that sometime ;)  

  • I just want one of Audreys’ books…

  • About Church : to to PRAY and ask God where HE wants you, love that! He can best use you as a blessing where you allow Him to lead you. AND often that picture is NOT what we dream about or plan. His ways can be surprising, scary, and “misunderstood” by others. I am learning to put away MY idea’s for HIS idea’s. (it can be the scariest thing ever, but so rewarding and big blessing follow)

     Also I am learning that it doesn’t have to be approved by others…..

     I don’t want to under estimate good Godly advice either. In our day that has gone south, fast.

     Can I have a book now? ;)

  • I don’t know you personally  So take this how ever you want!!
    I have faced a lot of the same questions, The biggest one that I struggled with was the long hair & veiling it!! I attached a link to a sermon that REALLY helped me put it in perspective :) )  Please take the time to listen to it with an open mind!

    Long Hair   

    Your Quote  “For example, I understand the principle in Scripture is that women are to have long hair.  That does not mean hair that has never been cut, it just means hair that is long.”

    I hope you find a church that practices the bible principles and is a “perfect fit” for your family!!

    Dory

  • I appreciate SpeakinginLove’s comments.

  • i {{really}} have my eyes on one of those books.

    i would love to know the writer of the guest rant :)

    good thots. keep seeking His direction. (i can recommend {my} church;)

  • what a tough place to be in…but, if God led you to where you are He will be faithful to lead you to the church He wants you to be part of.
    and, if you look at the ‘things’ of the churches you visit with the lens of TRUTH….that’s what it all comes back to. if it’s not based on TRUTH, HIS Truth, it’s not going to hold water.

    and, Audrey, the list of books holds soo many that if you pick me, i will have the hardest time choosing!
    happy weekend!

  • @baileyandme - “i love my church so my answer is: come to my church! :) :)

    haha. you’re too cute jenny

  • wow so much of this is what i faced when i was trying to find a church when i returned back to living at ‘home’

    the thing for me was when i walked into a church and it provided something that felt like water to my parched soul…the Word of God preached strongly every time with clear spirit leading and a clear representation of the message of salvation. while i can’t say my church is friendly (i have had to get involved in small groups to know people cause there are too many ) i am so thankful for the people that it serves. there are people at our church that i have known for years that i never i my wildest dreams imagined that they would darken the door of the church that have found themselves to this church and are sitting under good biblical teaching.

    but that doesn’t answer your question. it is hard to not have the support of a church family, i pray that as you seek to discern the specifica ‘family’ for your family that the Lord will guide you. i grew up in mainly non-denominational churchs that were conservative in my estimation, but not as conservative as they could have been. its been intriguing for me to get to know others who have grown up in different denominations and hear about their experiences. i pray that you will have a good mix found of being rooted in the truths of Christ but also not so stuck in perhaps ‘old ways.

  • So how do you choose randomly?  Do you read the comments and then try to choose without basing your decision on the comments or do you close your eyes and point at the screen or ask someone else to choose?  Just curious.

  • @gwennieg - I use a website called “Random Number” and that generates a random number and then I pick that comment in the line-up.

  • Interesting comments. A lot of good stuff here!

    I wanna book too…{whine}

  • Finding a church family is so hard….I agree with what  a lot of other people have said….Pray!
    God will lead you to where you need to be!

    I want a book too. =)

  • I can always use another book. I’m not even going to comment on the post, it hits close to home.

  • I know … days later she comes around … maybe someday I will get my act together so I can “win” one of those books!

    Everyone had such valid points. I am always amazed  that we as humans look for the perfect church. Why, I say, do we search so hard for that when we as humans are so not perfect? She stated how can she go to a church that she doesn’t completly meet the requirements or see eye to eye … it was mentioned that if we live a fake life we will turn our kids off. I could not agree more. So why not live our life by the Bible and truly believe what God has laid on our hearts. That right there will speak VOLUMES to our kids. I am not saying that you should not look for a church that meets your needs, but rather accept that there will never be a Church that meets you on all 4 corners. Ok so to sum it up I am trying to say that Live your life as an exapmle to your children and let God take care of the rest! Pray that God will take care of your needs and Keep an open mind & eyes!

  • @seekinHISwisdom - I love what you shared…thanks. It spoke straight to me.

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